Krishnamurti with Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, part 1 of 5
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@steelgila “I’ll never look at him the same way…” If we listen to the opening of every one of K’s talks, he clearly says, “Do not worship me as an authority, I am not your guru…” Why? Because it sets us up for reactions like this, “I upheld a man as a god figure, and now I find out that he was in fact human, hearing possibly unfounded rumors about his life, he has lost his place on my mantle.” Our task is still the same: we must see the truth of us for ourselves, about which K was adamant.
@steelgila What @longde repeated third hand came from rumors by basically 1 source — a disgruntled daughter of an actress and her husband who were close, life-long friends of K’s. Whatever happened, and it is likely the daughter invented much if not all of it, they all, even her father, handled it all discretely, as none of any of her accounts came out from anyone else. Convenient for her, she wrote her entire account after they were all dead, so those she attacked could not respond.
@Padmakshya
That isn’t bad advice in general.
But I hope you also practice walking your talk.
Talk is meaningless if your actions don’t show your wisdom.
@ShiningBuddhaBeam
Listen to yourself aimlessly chasing around the same thoughts. Forget attachment. Forget ego. Forget enlightenment. Forget everything. Discard my words, your words, Krishnamurti’s words, Buddha’s words, anyone’s words.
@Padmakshya
Can you not feel your intense attachment to your own ego?
I’m not enlightened, but I can certainly be aware of moments when I’m acting from a sense of ego. Admitting to yourself that you’re attached to your own ego is good practice, for myself too.
@ShiningBuddhaBeam
Sure whatever you say.
@Padmakshya
I don’t think Krishnamurti would be attached to words.
Teaching and Inquiring mean the same when you are no longer attached.
@longde
Egads, man! Figures someone who apparently needed some ‘policing’ in his own life would be so anti-religion. The scalawag! Thanks for the info. I’ll never look at him the same way again.
@ShiningBuddhaBeam
It is very simple, Krishnamurti does not teach, he inquires. To teach and to learn implies a sense of ego because it consists of accumulation of formulas. To inquire is to think independent of formulas.
This is two sides of the mountain. Beautiful.
@Padmakshya
It must be painful being so attached to your ego.
Both Krishnamurti and Trungpa teach the same thing as every other true spiritual teacher: How to disidentify from the ego.
That is meditation.
If you think Krishnamurti is “teaching” you simply haven’t been inquiring.
Neither of these guys is “better”
Krisnamurti is teaching,
Trungpa is asking and listening.
Together, they make one whole.
I was not expecting such harsh judgment of JK. Focusing on his faults puts down the ability of the truth in his words to be heard. Nobody ever has and nobody ever will be able to say everything right all the time, never contradict him/herself, and always please every person with their words and actions. To say one person is better or more right is to miss the point entirely. Salam, namaste, good vibes, etc to all of you.
J. Krishnamurti: “Practice means conforming to a pattern, imitating (…) can that conformity ever lead to truth, obviously not!.” Pure logical fallacies, JK presents baseless claims as facts.
Obviously JK doesn’t have a clue of what ‘practice’ means in the context of Mahamudra or Dzogchen buddhist teachings. Which Trungpa was a master of, by the way.
Jiddu thinks that meditation means repeating some sort of mental bench press? Poor guy, he had a wrong idea of meditation.
At the left you have a intelectual doing mental masturbation for his ego trip, at the right you have an actual buddhist master sitting silent. J. Krishnamurti screwed his best friend’s wife for years in secret, even forced her to have abortions, in secret too. Trungpa NEVER hid anything of his outrageous behavior, everything he did was intentionally in public.
An actual buddhist Master helps you to cut through your ego and through your delusions. Plenty of this you’ll find in Trungpa’s books.
Krishnamurti and a drunk Buddhist.. this should be interesting.
yes yes… two of the greats. now how about that combover?
“BELIEVE ONLY IN JESUS BEFORE TOO LATE” OR “BURN IN HELL FOREVER”
“BELIEVE ONLY IN JESUS BEFORE TOO LATE” OR “BURN IN HELL FOREVER”
“BELIEVE ONLY IN JESUS BEFORE TOO LATE” OR “BURN IN HELL FOREVER”
I hear Trungpa was highly enlightened even Pema Chodron s teacher,, but was at the same time a pisshead!!! How is this possible?As a former drinker myself I cannot imagine having a bad hangover and being an enlightened being at the same time.Or was he something special like a reincarnation Tibetan god or something?Intrigued.
Pish ….. All talk no action
the oldest cultures in the world zulus of Africa, aboriginals of Australia native Americans of America all walked in the darkness before Jesus before buddha before Lao Tzu and krishnamurti “ever wonder why the Aboriginals of Australia don’t paint mouths or ears on their work ” ?
Krishna is a great thinker this cannot be denied.
Follow your heart is what i get from his speeches.
i enjoy his views.
I would like to know what kind of experience an individual engages in that is not personal. Surely an individual’s experience can never be anything other than personal? Did Krishnamurti ever espouse the idea of a duality of experience, in which there is a personal and an impersonal mode of experience? I’m curious about this because I realise that one debate does not necessarily encapsulate an individual’s enitre world-view and also because I am not overly familiar with Krishnamurti’s work.
Krishnamurti has a tendency to speak as though his every sentence contains the most profound meaning- hence the pregnant pauses between phrases.
Is it believed that he is a kind of incarnation of Krishna or is that someone else?
Krishnamurti demonstrates why his followers should not trust “spiritual teachers and gurus”.